tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204753642588780917.post2377755276227257867..comments2024-03-27T20:08:04.084-07:00Comments on STUCK IN THE PAST: Hardline Interview with David Agranoff - Value Of Strength zine #5 (1999)xCHIPxSEMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15638729100111816459noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204753642588780917.post-91458633943867252262012-02-22T08:41:20.825-08:002012-02-22T08:41:20.825-08:00too bad he turned snitch.
http://www.greenisthene...too bad he turned snitch. <br />http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/dave-agranoff-informant-elf-bloomington/5723/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204753642588780917.post-54908408187137976662012-02-21T17:15:48.338-08:002012-02-21T17:15:48.338-08:00Dave Agranoff is a snitch: http://www.greenisthene...Dave Agranoff is a snitch: http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/dave-agranoff-informant-elf-bloomington/5723/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204753642588780917.post-14707833939757604692011-10-15T15:20:54.893-07:002011-10-15T15:20:54.893-07:00Good Ole Dave Agranoff. Still rustling feathers.
...Good Ole Dave Agranoff. Still rustling feathers.<br /><br />As a former "hardliner" who was summarily kicked out of the "movement" because I stopped believing that there was only one truth, and that a hardcore kid had figured it out, I can say that Dave is even more full of it now than he was then.<br /><br />Great intentions in the "movement". A little violent and heavy on the hyperbole, but at the end of the day, most of them were well intentioned. <br /><br />Its sad that Dave has changed his views on abortion. I remember all of our conversations about abortion... granted it was 15 years ago, but I'd like to think that the lives of unborn children can't be qualified in any way.<br /><br />It doesn't matter now. If the 90's proved one thing to me, it was that well intentioned hardcore kids can and will achieve nothing if they put their minds to it. To much high school drama, to many ego's, and far to much tough talk.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204753642588780917.post-72383670570887290972010-08-03T10:42:09.270-07:002010-08-03T10:42:09.270-07:00For every unit of food we consume, using the conve...For every unit of food we consume, using the conventional agricultural methods employed in the U.S., six times that amount of topsoil is lost. Since, according to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, the average person eats a ton of food each year, that works out to 12,000 pounds (5,443 kilograms) of topsoil. John Jeavons estimates that using current farming practices we have 40 to 80 years of arable soil left.David Agranoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16126496270513606150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204753642588780917.post-43286394457482768202010-08-02T08:35:22.048-07:002010-08-02T08:35:22.048-07:00Well Dave,
Getting kicked out hardline was one t...Well Dave, <br /><br />Getting kicked out hardline was one the best things that every happened to me. I'm not offended. <br /><br />I don't really care if you think I credible or not. I don't think those unborn children deserve to die, you are twisting my words. and ceratinly it has more to do with more beahviors than Eating meat.<br /><br /> I think they should never be born, as Karl from Earth Crisis has said..."it's about teaching people to be responsible when they have sex." Energy should not be put on saving the fetus but stopping them from being created.<br /><br />Dave my point is That an entire human life involves an entire liftime of food production, clothing, shoes, Plastic bags, cars, gas, energy for their homes, all those these are more destructive to the natural order than an abortion. Like it or not.<br /><br />I don't like abortion but making it illegal wont solve the problem. Killing abortion doctors wont solve the problem. I see that now, and i think the vast majority will assume that give me more not less credibility on the subject because that is logical.David Agranoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16126496270513606150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204753642588780917.post-82503320448441151352010-07-14T18:58:43.702-07:002010-07-14T18:58:43.702-07:00Frankly, "Count," I think your comments ...Frankly, "Count," I think your comments about abortion and "needing less humans" and you literally suggesting that fetuses who will likely be raised eating meat deserve to die undermines any credibility you may or may not have.<br /><br />No wonder you were kicked out of HL.Dave Moralnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204753642588780917.post-83807106724542295162010-07-04T07:31:35.048-07:002010-07-04T07:31:35.048-07:00I understand wanting to read this shit for either ...I understand wanting to read this shit for either a laugh or for "historical purposes" but not everyone is intelligent enough to differentiate the reasons for these being uploaded every other day on blogs and whatever else. We can thank the "documentation" (aka glamorization) for the new CHAPTERS in Russia or wherever.<br /><br />Let this shit die.AJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08692168692720153816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204753642588780917.post-55184965163715317772010-07-01T09:09:15.132-07:002010-07-01T09:09:15.132-07:00Hey German dude saying hardline Makes Hitler look ...Hey German dude saying hardline Makes Hitler look liberal, makes you look like a dumbass. That is called hyperbole, it doesn't make your point well.<br /><br />And PA hardline...drop me a line I have wanted to get back in touch for years...David Agranoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16126496270513606150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204753642588780917.post-40458634411632279032010-06-27T10:13:58.726-07:002010-06-27T10:13:58.726-07:00thanks for the link to vanguard been looking for t...thanks for the link to vanguard been looking for that.<br />-xLxAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204753642588780917.post-1865335297604112612010-06-24T06:34:40.362-07:002010-06-24T06:34:40.362-07:00Sure...'cause nothing compares to the murder o...Sure...'cause nothing compares to the murder of six million Jews like two dozen skinny hardcore kids distributing zines.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204753642588780917.post-62955167181823362452010-06-24T00:01:35.163-07:002010-06-24T00:01:35.163-07:00I fully agree with what "Hardlineupyourarse&q...I fully agree with what "Hardlineupyourarse" said..163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204753642588780917.post-36895578437425802292010-06-23T06:13:16.527-07:002010-06-23T06:13:16.527-07:00Even though I have been involved in the German str...Even though I have been involved in the German straight edge hardcore community since the late 80s, and have been friends w/ a couple hardline kids back in the early 90s, I have never actually read Vanguard until after the post of this interview. <br /><br />(By the way, I found Vanguard #1 here: http://www.mediafire.com/?jyjyqemnizy). <br /><br />And damn, Vanguard is even more idiotic than I've imagined in my wildest dreams. It is pure Nazi rethoric and their "arguments" are beyond stupid. <br /><br />Vanguard is way worse than the Vegan Reich EP lyric sheet (which, as the veg sXe dude that I am, kinda liked, haha).<br /><br />I am glad Hardline never got much of an impact on the straight edge scene. Hopefully all those new Hardline chapters in Russia and other places will die out soon. <br /><br />Hardline kids make Hitler look like a Liberal!Hardlineupyourarsehttp://www.hardlineisstupid.denoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204753642588780917.post-83521421914632153642010-06-22T11:17:15.175-07:002010-06-22T11:17:15.175-07:00"...In the end most humans grow up only to be..."...In the end most humans grow up only to be an endless source of death and destruction, so I see no need in defending the life of a fetus that will ultimately spend a lifetime eating animals, consuming wasteful and destructive products. At this point we need less humans, I see that now.<br />"<br /><br /><br />Amen.jxwnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8204753642588780917.post-76228556073653151172010-06-22T09:50:57.671-07:002010-06-22T09:50:57.671-07:00I appreciate this being reprinted. Dave words tak...I appreciate this being reprinted. Dave words take me back to a time and place in my life that served as an incredibly formative period. My involvement with Hardline shaped my diet, my politics, my spirituality and the very direction of my life. Though today I disagree with the dogmatic ideology, obvious Abrahamic religious overtones and ridiculous notion that a handful of 20 something vegans we're going to overthrow the global order, there remain core threads from Hardline that continue to guide and shape my worldview even today, in my mid-30's.Once upon a time PA Hardlinenoreply@blogger.com